I do NOT believe in god

[laceybriglia]

Thank you, angel, that means a lot.  May I ask how/why you believe in god, when you seem to have your head on straight about some of the things that are wrong with religion?  

Well maybe you should tell Miss Queen the same thing. Because it seems she also thought you were a Christian. And she was trying pretty hard to convince you not to be
( Even though you already weren't.)

[angel379227]

Well maybe you should tell Miss Queen the same thing. Because it seems she also thought you were a Christian. And she was trying pretty hard to convince you not to be
( Even though you already weren't.)

I did, directly after she commented on that actually, but it was one of my long-winded posts so I'm not surprised you didn't catch it. 

[laceybriglia]

Well maybe you should tell Miss Queen the same thing. Because it seems she also thought you were a Christian. And she was trying pretty hard to convince you not to be
( Even though you already weren't.)

I did, directly after she commented on that actually, but it was one of my long-winded posts so I'm not surprised you didn't catch it. 

Oh okay yeah I must have missed that one. I do think it is very interesting how you defend Christianity but do not believe in it though. What exactly is your religion? Or are you an Atheist?

[angel379227]

Or are you an Atheist?

To me Atheism is just another religion, though I know I'm likely to offend many with that comment. I'm aware that by definition it is not, but what I find most horrendous about faiths is their absolute certainty that theirs is the only right or logical conclusion. We call ours a progressive society in terms of our thinking processes and yet we shut our minds to every other spiritual teaching once we've discovered what we feel is the only valid answer. This is what defines religion to me-- this and any school of thought in which you would have to put an "ism" after.

So no, I'm not an Atheist. Just call me Angel. It's my name in truth, but also my "calling", of sorts.

[laceybriglia]

Or are you an Atheist?

To me Atheism is just another religion, though I know I'm likely to offend many with that comment. I'm aware that by definition it is not, but what I find most horrendous about faiths is their absolute certainty that theirs is the only right or logical conclusion. We call ours a progressive society in terms of our thinking processes and yet we shut our minds to every other spiritual teaching once we've discovered what we feel is the only valid answer. This is what defines religion to me-- this and any school of thought in which you would have to put an "ism" after.

So no, I'm not an Atheist. Just call me Angel. It's my name in truth, but also my "calling", of sorts.

That was kinda hard to grasp but I see your point of view.

[queenofnines]

Yeah that definitely sounds like  she is trying to convince you to not be Christian.

I never claimed I thought angel was a Christian.  In fact, I already knew angel wasn't based on what has been said in previous posts.  The only reason the term "Christian" is being thrown around here is because most of us are Americans.  If this site was based elsewhere in the world, we'd be saying Muslim or Hindu because that is what we would have been born into .  A religion by any other name is still...religion.  The vast majority are based on a belief in "god", and that's what I'm against (not Christians specifically).

[queenofnines]

1.) Back "in the day", that was said because times were different and the only way people would hear of Jesus was if his disciples & followers "spread the word"/witnessed.  In this day and age with missionaries, radios, tv's, & now computers  going into corners of the earth "where no man has heard the Word before"...most everyone has heard.  Witnessing doesn't mean constantly shoving religion in someone elses face "when they already KNOW".  Most Christians SHOULD be able to have others look at their lives, the example they set and have their life's example be their best witness.    2.) Not to single anyone out because it was mentioned more than once, things like "being a Christian is living a burden", "what if Christians find out they ARE WRONG" There isn't one thing in the Bible that God said to do or not do that will KILL a person if they obey.  There isn't one thing in the Bible that God said to do or not do that is IMPOSSIBLE.  I have found that by obeying God, it has made my life even better as I have avoided alot of heartache, grief and bitterness that typically comes with making life's tempting wrong choices.  (If anyone thinks that the outcomes of life's wrong choices is "just life"...then choosing God's way DOES make ones life better because you avoid alot of the bad and what is so bad about that?)

1) That sounds like a man-made excuse.  Guess I missed the clause in the Bible that says: "Witness...until the 21st century, when everyone will pretty much have technology and you won't have to."

2) "There isn't one thing in the Bible that God said to do or not do that will KILL a person if they obey."  That is quite ironic for you to say, as there are a boatload of verses where god will kill you (or you're supposed to kill others, including your children) if you DON'T obey!

Just because you believe in god does not make you immune from becoming addicted to *bleep*, beating your children, racking up credit card debt, etc.  Being a non-believer is sometimes more of a burden, actually, because it is then that you have to stare at life's harsh realities and be strong enough on your own.  It's so much easier to cling to feel-good hopes of heaven when you're staring the pointlessness of life in the face; it's so much easier to assume that you have all of the time in the world to live, that you have no chance of being murdered or dying in a horrible plane crash because "god is looking out for you"; it's so much easier to think you can pray and get your hard problems magically solved or that even if everyone else disowns you, god at least forgives you for all of your mistakes!

[queenofnines]

To me Atheism is just another religion, though I know I'm likely to offend many with that comment. I'm aware that by definition it is not, but what I find most horrendous about faiths is their absolute certainty that theirs is the only right or logical conclusion.

I agree, it is not right in practice to slam the door shut on being educated about the options.  But...logically...there is either a god/force/spirit, or there isn't.  There can't be more than those two basic realities.  Most people spend all of their time and effort trying to find the religion that is "right" or suits them, completely ignoring that there is another possible reality that god may not exist at all.  That is what religious people are being close-minded about, because they are so scared of that being true that they completely overlook it as even being an available reality.

I don't feel I am close-minded because again, I was a full-fledged Christian myself just 3 short years ago.  And unlike most people, I CHOSE to be a Christian.  I was technically an atheist before being a Christian, although I did not have any of the facts I do now as to why a godless existence is correct.

[angel379227]

I don't feel I am close-minded because again, I was a full-fledged Christian myself just 3 short years ago.  And unlike most people, I CHOSE to be a Christian.  I was technically an atheist before being a Christian, although I did not have any of the facts I do now as to why a godless existence is correct.

I don't think you're closed-minded at all, but even I feel my proverbial door can open wider.

[Falconer02]

Falconer am I really a Troll? Or you just don't know what to say to me? Why have you singled me out? Why won't you quit?

Troll- Unwelcome, offensive, stupid or abusive commenter on a blog, chat room, user group or BBS.

You're lucky I'm even responding to you, troll. Angel said everything that needed to be said about you and I thank him for that-- he said it better than I could have.

No, I say look back and you will see that I never started it with people. I was just defending myself. I almost thought if I took the side of atheist then it wouldn't happen anymore but that didn't work. I really would appreciate it if you would stop also because you are another one.

I am not like this normally but I have never been attacked like this before and not really sure how to defend myself. I would ignore it but I am kinda worried that someone on here may know me and I don't like how I am being treated and talked about.

Don't play the victim here. You know what you've already done and your child-like posts won't fool anyone but the ones that haven't seen your offensive (deleted) posts. Good job trying to make atheists look bad by looking like they were trying to convert you just so you would fit in. Get back under your bridge.

"No one should be protected from the effects of their own stupidity."

[mrsbluesmith]

That's OK.  God believes in YOU! 

[laceybriglia]

Yeah that definitely sounds like  she is trying to convince you to not be Christian.

I never claimed I thought angel was a Christian. 

Maybe you should reread your post 

[angel379227]

Now now, ladies, there's no need to fight over me.

[Falconer02]

EVERYONE, Believer or not---is only ONE JESUS away from Heaven (or Hell, depending on how one wants to look at it)   con't...

Only Jesus? Because last time I glanced there's tons of stories about these saviors and rule-makers who will reward you eternally. Not just Jesus. What makes him so special besides a book (which a lot of these other saviors have) and a following? Having a large group on your side does not make your side right. Proof? The Twilight series sucks.

The difference between Believers & non-Believers is that the non-Believers sin because that is what they are supposed to do---they don't need to make an effort not to.  Believers have been delivered from sin----they can and do still sin but they do it because they WANT to...not because they have to or they don't know any better.

Many non-believers help set the infrastructure we all take for granted each day. Believers and non-believers sin all the damn time. In my lifetime I have seen more believers sin more horribly than non-believers. I kid you not.

To be on God's side is to be on the "winning team".

"Believe in a jealous genocidal toying child-killer. Who loves you. Get on the winning team!"

no matter how bad life gets---God is ALWAYS on your side and will pull you through

Many Believers do die horrible deaths, many have been killed & tortured for their beliefs.  They die in airplane crashes, car crashes, fires

**LOGIC CIRCUITRY ERROR. DOES NOT COMPUTE**
Attempting override. Loading "C:/godismysterious.exe"
**COP OUT ERROR DETECTED**

Believers don't fear death because to leave the earth is simply to go be with Jesus which is where they yearn to be anyway.

"Muslim extremists don't fear death because to leave the earth is simply to go be with Mohammad and 72 virgins which is where they yearn to be anyway"

I'm sure you've heard of a saying that goes "There aren't any atheists in fox holes". Now please think about this saying outside of the christian mindset for a minute. Done? Does it not lead you to one conclusions that people believe that JC and god are just pillows to comfort one in times of life-threatening situations? This is a bit of an extreme example (I'm not putting christians on the same stand with terrorism here), but they do share a similar closed off mindset.

And everyone fears death.

[angel379227]

What makes him so special besides a book (which a lot of these other saviors have) and a following? Having a large group on your side does not make your side right. Proof? The Twilight series sucks.

You sir have won the internet.