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eSineM

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Do you believe in a Heaven and a Hell?
« on: December 29, 2009, 05:22:55 am »
I'm curious to see how many of you people believe... Do you think that your spirit is either going to heaven or hell? remember, the bible says NOTHING about either one.

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Re: Do you believe in a Heaven and a Hell?
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2009, 05:38:23 am »
Yes I do. I may not live the way I should but I do believe. How about you? You did not say.
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Re: Do you believe in a Heaven and a Hell?
« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2009, 07:15:09 am »
I beleive the same thing.  Hell is here, and when the world is destroyed by fire, we'll all go to heaven, hell will be over......... :angel11:

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Re: Do you believe in a Heaven and a Hell?
« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2009, 10:56:17 am »
yes i do

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Re: Do you believe in a Heaven and a Hell?
« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2009, 12:11:44 pm »
I don't believe we have a spirit, much less heaven and hell.  Just be good to yourself and others. :thumbsup:

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Re: Do you believe in a Heaven and a Hell?
« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2009, 12:44:16 pm »
Yes i do....

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Re: Do you believe in a Heaven and a Hell?
« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2009, 01:09:32 pm »
Heaven or Hell?
Uhhh no.

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Re: Do you believe in a Heaven and a Hell?
« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2009, 01:21:47 pm »
Not really sure, kind wonder sometimes.  Guess we will all find out soon enough.

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Re: Do you believe in a Heaven and a Hell?
« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2009, 01:24:45 pm »
No.

It's also a pretty big stretch to say the Bible makes no mention or implication of a heaven and hell.  The concept of purgatory is another story however.

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Re: Do you believe in a Heaven and a Hell?
« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2009, 02:45:41 pm »
Yes but I tend to disagree with the popular notion "going to heaven or hell" because more often than not they are not what the scriptures would say.

And yes, the bible does say something about both, depending on your definition of "heaven/hell."

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Re: Do you believe in a Heaven and a Hell?
« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2009, 04:08:15 pm »
It depends. The Bible actually does quite clearly declare all true believers in Jesus go onto a favorable afterlife. True, it's on Earth rather than Heaven(which is in the sky), but the principal is there.
As to Hell, there's little doubt the concept was foreign to Jesus and Paul, but it is certainly in the Bible. Revelations adds it, and declares it lasts forever. It also introduces the Greek concept of an immortal soul. Something no Jew believed in.
The only way to get Hell out of the Bible is to get rid of John's Revelation.

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Re: Do you believe in a Heaven and a Hell?
« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2009, 04:50:32 pm »
I don't believe in Heaven or Hell in the "normal" context used by those names. I do believe that whereever you go after death could be good or a bad circumstance, but not a "place".

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Re: Do you believe in a Heaven and a Hell?
« Reply #12 on: December 29, 2009, 05:15:24 pm »
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Definition: The word “hell” is found in many Bible translations. In the same verses other translations read “the grave,” “the world of the dead,” and so forth. Other Bibles simply transliterate the original-language words that are sometimes rendered “hell”; that is, they express them with the letters of our alphabet but leave the words untranslated. What are those words? The Hebrew she’ohl′ and its Greek equivalent hai′des, which refer, not to an individual burial place, but to the common grave of dead mankind; also the Greek ge′en‧na, which is used as a symbol of eternal destruction. However, both in Christendom and in many non-Christian religions it is taught that hell is a place inhabited by demons and where the wicked, after death, are punished (and some believe that this is with torment).

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Eccl. 9:5, 10: “The living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all . . . All that your hand finds to do, do with your very power, for there is no work nor devising nor knowledge nor wisdom in Sheol,* the place to which you are going.

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Much confusion and misunderstanding has been caused through the early translators of the Bible persistently rendering the Hebrew Sheol and the Greek Hades and Gehenna by the word hell. The simple transliteration of these words by the translators of the revised editions of the Bible has not sufficed to appreciably clear up this confusion and misconception

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Translators have allowed their personal beliefs to color their work instead of being consistent in their rendering of the original-language words. For example: (1) The King James Version rendered she’ohl′ as “hell,” “the grave,” and “the pit”; hai′des is therein rendered both “hell” and “grave”; ge′en‧na is also translated “hell.” (2) Today’s English Version transliterates hai′des as “Hades” and also renders it as “hell” and “the world of the dead.” But besides rendering “hell” from hai′des it uses that same translation for ge′en‧na. (3) The Jerusalem Bible transliterates hai′des six times, but in other passages it translates it as “hell” and as “the underworld.” It also translates ge′en‧na as “hell,” as it does hai′des in two instances. Thus the exact meanings of the original-language words have been obscured

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Rev. 14:9-11; 20:10, KJ: “If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, the same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: and the smoke of their torment [Greek, basa‧ni‧smou′] ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.” “And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.”
What is the ‘torment’ to which these texts refer? It is noteworthy that at Revelation 11:10 (KJ) reference is made to ‘prophets that torment those dwelling on the earth.’ Such torment results from humiliating exposure by the messages that these prophets proclaim. At Revelation 14:9-11 (KJ) worshipers of the symbolic “beast and his image” are said to be “tormented with fire and brimstone.” This cannot refer to conscious torment after death because “the dead know not any thing.” (Eccl. 9:5, KJ) Then, what causes them to experience such torment while they are still alive? It is the proclamation by God’s servants that worshipers of the “beast and his image” will experience second death, which is represented by “the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone.” The smoke, associated with their fiery destruction, ascends forever because the destruction will be eternal and will never be forgotten. When Revelation 20:10 says that the Devil is to experience ‘torment forever and ever’ in “the lake of fire and brimstone,” what does that mean? Revelation 21:8 (KJ) says clearly that “the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone” means “the second death.” So the Devil’s being “tormented” there forever means that there will be no relief for him; he will be held under restraint forever, actually in eternal death. This use of the word “torment” (from the Greek ba′sa‧nos) reminds one of its use at Matthew 18:34, where the same basic Greek word is applied to a ‘jailer.’—RS, AT, ED, NW.

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Is there some part of man that lives on when the body dies?
Ezek. 18:4: “The soul [“soul,” RS, NE, KJ, Dy, Kx; “man,” JB; “person,” TEV] that is sinning—it itself will die.”
Isa. 53:12: “He poured out his soul [“soul,” RS, KJ, Dy; “life,” TEV; “himself,” JB, Kx, NAB] to the very death.” (Compare Matthew 26:38.)
See also the main headings “Soul” and “Spirit.”
Are the dead in any way able to help or to harm the living?
Eccl. 9:6: “Their love and their hate and their jealousy have already perished, and they have no portion anymore to time indefinite in anything that has to be done under the sun.”
Isa. 26:14: “They are dead; they will not live. Impotent in death, they will not rise up.”

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Where are the dead?
Gen. 3:19: “In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return.”
Eccl. 9:10: “All that your hand finds to do, do with your very power, for there is no work nor devising nor knowledge nor wisdom in Sheol [“the grave,” KJ, Kx; “the world of the dead,” TEV], the place to which you are going.”

My point is the Bible doesn't read anything about a good hearted soul rising up to a Heaven... or being tortured in Hell...Hell is the Grave...and yeah Heaven according to the Bible means a Paradise on the earth.

Not that I even believe that story either... I'm just trying to prove most people don't even go by the bible.


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Re: Do you believe in a Heaven and a Hell?
« Reply #13 on: December 29, 2009, 05:16:24 pm »
Please don't throw me in that brier patch.....

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Re: Do you believe in a Heaven and a Hell?
« Reply #14 on: December 29, 2009, 05:23:42 pm »
yeh ..i belive in heaven and hell

and the bible does talk about heaven and hell alot actuelly it says all liers will have their part in the lack of fire
it talks about  death having the keys to hell ..it  mostly in revelations and jessu speaks of going to heaven and living forever with the lord alot .....

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