What are your Views On abortion(topic is moreso for women)

[liljp617]

I do not believe in abortion, but to each their own.  No one can every convence me that at the beginning of the preganacy that the baby is not a baby.  I watch my little boy when I was 10 weeks preganent and at the beginning of the ultrasound he was asleep and sucking his thumb.  After that he woke up he spread out his arms and legs and you could see all of the his fingers and toes.  It was absolutely amazing.  I do not understand how anyone could kill an innocent child, granted there are some situations that you need to question weather an abortion would be okay, but I do not feel that is right for someone to just get rid of it because they don't want the responsibility, there are couples everyday that would love to adopt a child.

It is an embryo/fetus.  You can call it a baby as much as you want, but it's like calling a toad a frog.  A toad simply is not a frog, as an embryo/fetus just simply is not a baby.  They're two different words with different meanings and it serves no purpose to use them interchangeably.  All it does is cause confusion in the debate.

Again there were over 500,000 children up for adoption in 2008 in the US alone and, on average, a little over 100,000 get adopted yearly.  If people want to adopt, there are certainly ample number of kids available.

The baby's heartbeat starts at 4 weeks pregnant and the brain is developed at 3 weeks - So think about it.

I'm not really following how this makes a fetus a person.  Could you explain?


As a side note, the brain is certainly not fully developed at 3 weeks.  At 3 weeks, it has just started to develop.  I don't know if that's what you meant or not.

I have learned to disregard anything you say.  Half of your comments make no sense and I believe you pull it out the air.

What could possibly be difficult to understand in what I posted?

The word baby has a meaning, a definition.  The word fetus has a meaning, a definition.  The word embryo has a meaning, a definition.

A baby is not a fetus.  A fetus is not a baby.  A fetus is not an embryo.  An embryo is not a baby.

They all have separate meanings.  They are not interchangeable terms.  They reference completely different periods of development in humans.  To use them interchangeably is to use them incorrectly.  To use them incorrectly in the debate over abortion causes unnecessary confusion and distracts away from the discussion.

In other words, pay attention to terminology, as it is important in having a rational discussion.

What part of that doesn't make sense and is "pulled out of the air?"

[bub2631]

There are too many people in this world already, so let a few go down the drain...

[amandashirley2007]

I believe that a woman should have the right to do as they wish. However, I don't personally believe in it. BUT at the same time, it could be better for someone. Due to rape, teenage pregancy, etc.

[mommagoes]

i think its a decision that every woman should be able to make for herself without being attacked by other people who are not in her situation. i have never done it but i have 2 kids, 9 years and 18 months, and i know my husband and i would seriously consider doing it if i were to get pregnant in the near future. i don't think its fair for people outside of the situation to tell a woman (or girl in the case of teenage pregnancy) that she's murdering her baby or is committing a sin, especially when that person does not know the circumstances behind the pregnant woman's decision. i don't think its right to make a woman endure a pregnancy just to give the baby up for adoption, especially when there are so many kids already waiting to be adopted.

as in response to the previous argument as to whether a fetus is a baby: though certain organs may be developed as early as 3 weeks, the fetus is NOT a baby. i personally don't think the fetus is a baby until about 28 weeks, the point at which the baby might survive outside of the womb. regardless of what has developed or what you see the fetus doing in an ultrasound, my opinion is that it is not a baby unless it could survive outside the mother. now you show me a fetus delivered at 6 or 8 or even 12 weeks that survives and then maybe i'll change my opinion as to whether or not its a baby. this is the reason why, in most cases, an abortion has to be performed within the first 12 weeks.

[Radicalpraiser]

True it is your body but at the point of conception there is more than just your life to consider. That person on the inside of you has a plan and a destiny in life. They could be the one to discover the cure for aids. Life is precious and at the point of conception --it is life that has begun.

[mommagoes]

True it is your body but at the point of conception there is more than just your life to consider. That person on the inside of you has a plan and a destiny in life. They could be the one to discover the cure for aids. Life is precious and at the point of conception --it is life that has begun.

i see and understand your point but tell me this: an unwed 15 year old girl from a broken family with no job and no support system is pregnant with the fetus destined to cure aids or cancer or create world peace. if she has the baby, the statistics show that her child will be raised in a similar state of affairs as the mother was. the statistics show that a single parent, low-income household isn't exactly the breeding ground for a college-bound scientist or pharmacist or philanthropist. doesn't that make it that much harder for that baby to grow up and live up to his/her "destiny?" aren't we already surrounded with people not living up to their "destiny?"

[cece12]

I am essentially pro choice. Granted each situation is different, but ultimately it's the woman who has to carry then deliver the child...and it seems to me that the voices of pro life are quickly silence once the child has arrived...where do they go when the mother needs support and assistance?

[liljp617]

That person on the inside of you has a plan and a destiny in life.

1.  Tell me what makes it a person, please.  You're telling me this



is a person?  There is a difference between being alive and being a person.  What you have is a potential person, not a person.

2.  Many people don't believe in destiny and I would imagine you don't either, except in select cases where it benefits your views.  Do you think some fetuses are destined to be murderers?  Rapists?  Cruel, tyrannical leaders? Or are you of the inconsistent view that destiny is only a factor in people who will do "good" things?

The zygote/embryo/fetus, under any reasonable assumption, has no plan to do anything.  How can an entity that doesn't have a developed brain and has no understanding of how the world works have a plan or goal in mind?

They could be the one to discover the cure for aids.

Inherently flawed argument.  That potential person could also be the one to carry out a second Holocaust, murder and rape people, bomb an airport, and any number of other horrible things.

This is the prime reason you do not treat things for what they could potentially become.  You treat things for what they are.  If we're treating things as what they could potentially become, wouldn't it be wise to abort those fetuses that will become murderers, rapists, etc.?  But then who gets to decide which fetuses those are?  Do you really want to get into this sticky situation?

Again, we're all potential corpses, and much more so than a fetus is a potential person -- should we all treat each other like corpses?  

Your house could burn down tomorrow -- should you live your life like it's already burned down?  

Your TV could break next week -- should you stop watching your TV now and act like it's already broken just because it could potentially be broken?

Makes zero sense to treat things as what they could potentially become in the future.

Life is precious and at the point of conception --it is life that has begun.

There is no point of conception.  It is a process that takes hours.

This brings up a question:  Why don't you treat sperm or eggs, unfertilized, as people?  Every single egg/sperm cell is a potential person, just as much as an embryo/zygote/fetus is.

All life is not equal.  All life is not precious.  If you disagree, I will happily show that you (or anyone else in the thread) don't believe all life is precious.  No rational person places all life on an equal playing field.  When was the last time you made a conscious decision to walk or sit where there would likely be the least number of microorganisms?  When was the last time you ate on a table or sat in a chair made with wood?  When was the last time you cut the lawn?

[mgarmstrong]

I'm not really for abortions "but" I have never been in a situation where I would need to consider on so I do not feel that I should judge others choices.

[liljp617]

I'm not really for abortions "but" I have never been in a situation where I would need to consider on so I do not feel that I should judge others choices.

I think you would be hard pressed to find anyone who is legitimately "for abortion."

[luvh8tragedy87]

I personally wouldn't get one but I wouldn't take the choice away from someone else.

[gesus]

Its A Womans body let em do what they do , but dont celebrate weeks later as if it never happend ....so corny and childish

[angelchef80]

ok this will always be a sensitive subject with people just like talking about religion.  I think that abortions are selfish and there are many people out there that want to adopt. But at the same time you don't know what you will decide til the shoe is on that foot.  I think that it is a womens choice.  I do think that there are many other options and women should consider it, and also the father (in the cases where they can be involved) should be a part of the decision because that is their baby also.  But as I said this is a subject to where there is always going to be people that are going to disagree on the answer

[Shutmeup3030150]

I am completely and totally, 100% AGAINST it. It IS killing an unborn child, and in my eyes, thats murder. There are other options, put it up for adoption for one. But if a woman got herself into the situation, she should take the responsibility of it as well.

[liljp617]

I do not believe in abortion, but to each their own.  No one can every convence me that at the beginning of the preganacy that the baby is not a baby.  I watch my little boy when I was 10 weeks preganent and at the beginning of the ultrasound he was asleep and sucking his thumb.  After that he woke up he spread out his arms and legs and you could see all of the his fingers and toes.  It was absolutely amazing.  I do not understand how anyone could kill an innocent child, granted there are some situations that you need to question weather an abortion would be okay, but I do not feel that is right for someone to just get rid of it because they don't want the responsibility, there are couples everyday that would love to adopt a child.

It is an embryo/fetus.  You can call it a baby as much as you want, but it's like calling a toad a frog.  A toad simply is not a frog, as an embryo/fetus just simply is not a baby.  They're two different words with different meanings and it serves no purpose to use them interchangeably.  All it does is cause confusion in the debate.

Again there were over 500,000 children up for adoption in 2008 in the US alone and, on average, a little over 100,000 get adopted yearly.  If people want to adopt, there are certainly ample number of kids available.

The baby's heartbeat starts at 4 weeks pregnant and the brain is developed at 3 weeks - So think about it.

I'm not really following how this makes a fetus a person.  Could you explain?


As a side note, the brain is certainly not fully developed at 3 weeks.  At 3 weeks, it has just started to develop.  I don't know if that's what you meant or not.

It is living, it has a heartbeat

Nobody said it wasn't alive.  A lot of things are alive and I'm sure you don't think a millisecond about killing them.  I asked what makes it a person; having a heartbeat doesn't make something a person.