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Garydh

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Occupy "Portland" and others
« on: October 07, 2011, 06:17:20 pm »
Living in downtown Portland OR, I was happy to see the impromptu Occupy Portland Protesters were peacefull, except for two idiots that tried tagging a Starbucks and a Police car. There is always someone trying to creat a problem. But over all the authorities handled it good, the protesters good, and the mayor good. Though no legal permits, they did not try and create a "Corporate" or Political and Policeing problem.   This is the right type of protest. The news picks it up, and I am sure it will hit the National News as well as youtube.

So those idiots trying to amp it up and create a problem, I hope the real peaceful protesters can handle them without it going out of hand or "wild", but I know it is not over yet so I keep my fingers crossed. Protested in it myself till my legs gave out, but Yes a statement is being made about who, how and what is running our country.

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Re: Occupy "Portland" and others
« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2011, 04:24:53 pm »
Good job, Gary. I'm glad that area is a lot more humble with the protests (on both sides). The one in NY is just a massive storm of craziness (especially with the law enforcement).

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Re: Occupy "Portland" and others
« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2011, 08:54:32 pm »
This whole Occupy Wallstreet movement is JUST PLAIN INSANE !! There is NO FOCAL POINT to the protest. They should be OCCUPYING the WHITE HOUSE and CONGRESS !!

THE GOVERNMENT is THE PROBLEM !!

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Re: Occupy "Portland" and others
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2011, 06:30:46 pm »
I was down at #OccupyCleveland last week and am heading back tomorrow.  It's going strong, even with the weather starting to get bad.

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Re: Occupy "Portland" and others
« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2011, 10:39:44 pm »
I cannot quite figure out this "Occupy" movement.  They are doing the anti-establishment yet they are the ones in power????  They are anti capitalism and everyone can be seen sporting plenty of tech that comes from the capitalism they detest.  They blame wall street for being bailed out yet it was the government that bailed them out.  They blame wall street for causing the bail outs yet it was government regulations that were the source of all the trouble.  They should be marching on the white house and not wall street.

I do admire people exercising their rights to free speech though and even though I have no idea what they stand for I respect and applaud them doing it.
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Re: Occupy "Portland" and others
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2011, 04:00:33 am »
I was down at #OccupyCleveland last week and am heading back tomorrow.  It's going strong, even with the weather starting to get bad.

Thank you.  :heart:

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« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2011, 06:16:15 am »
I was at #OccupyCleveland again yesterday evening.  Even with the rain, there were probably 50 or so people at the site when I was there.  Lots of tents, tarps, and canopies have been set up for the overnighters, with the blessing of the Cleveland City Council.

If there are Occupy movements in your cities, I really urge you to go check when out whenever you can.  Even if you can't stay, you can drop off supplies- food, water, tarps, etc.  Everything helps!

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Re: Occupy "Portland" and others
« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2011, 07:54:11 am »
I like some of you believe that the government is to blame for alot of our problems. I am also glad that the protest was peaceful.

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« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2011, 04:04:33 pm »
Many of you are seeing for the first time what indigenous peoples around the world have been living thru for hundreds of years.

Now maybe you will pull your heads out of the sand and admit that the powers that be are, and have been, totally out of hand.

The acts that the following video shows is the only possible out come,of the dog eat dog, climb over anyone and everyone weaker to get to the top, capitalist system that americans so love. This is just so wrong on so many levels.

Hopefully now you will see what we have been trying to say all along and if you don't want to join with us atleast stand together with those your own peers, and demand change. There is strength in numbers, which you now have. Add your voice, as you are either a supporter or not.

Do you think that if those in power are not able to contain this quickly they wont throw all of you onto some reservation (or worse) too?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TH3kiaJ1-c8&feature=youtu.be


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Re: Occupy "Portland" and others
« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2011, 03:14:30 pm »
Many of you are seeing for the first time what indigenous peoples around the world have been living thru for hundreds of years.

Now maybe you will pull your heads out of the sand and admit that the powers that be are, and have been, totally out of hand.

The acts that the following video shows is the only possible out come,of the dog eat dog, climb over anyone and everyone weaker to get to the top, capitalist system that americans so love. This is just so wrong on so many levels.

Hopefully now you will see what we have been trying to say all along and if you don't want to join with us atleast stand together with those your own peers, and demand change. There is strength in numbers, which you now have. Add your voice, as you are either a supporter or not.

Do you think that if those in power are not able to contain this quickly they wont throw all of you onto some reservation (or worse) too?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TH3kiaJ1-c8&feature=youtu.be



You mentioned demanding change, but what exactly are looking to be changed?  Do you want to get rid of capitalism?

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« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2011, 03:59:13 pm »
When I start hearing words like "comrade" and "collective" and "stand united all around the world" I get the generally feeling that these are just a bunch of socialists/communists/impostor anarchists/etc.  These people seem to demand and never offer.  They blame and take no responsibility for themselves, and they blame the wrong people in the first place.  Many of them appear to be completely ignorant -- and I am not just talking about the ridiculous nonsense they say at these events either.

If these groups had their complete way with things we would be left with a world of poor people looking to blame anyone else for the results, and you can damn well guarantee they wouldn't lend a hand to improve things as from their insistent statements, such things don't pay enough and/or are beneath their educations.  I mean seriously, carry out their demands to the finality and picture a world such as they speak and realize who you are in that world.
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Re: Occupy "Portland" and others
« Reply #11 on: October 18, 2011, 04:41:55 pm »
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When I start hearing words like "comrade" and "collective" and "stand united all around the world" I get the generally feeling that these are just a bunch of socialists/communists/impostor anarchists/etc.  These people seem to demand and never offer.  They blame and take no responsibility for themselves, and they blame the wrong people in the first place.  Many of them appear to be completely ignorant -- and I am not just talking about the ridiculous nonsense they say at these events either.

The major force (as far as I've been told by people protesting in the Chicago area) is against big businesses making specialized shady plans to screw over people and come out on top when everyone below takes the blow. For instance they believe companies shouldn't be "too big to fail" and shouldnt receive gov't bailouts when they make mistakes that could have been avoided with a little common sense-- their butts are covered if they fail, but the people below are unshielded and these mistakes end up damaging everyone. People are now getting arrested just because they want to close their bank accounts and whatnot, so it's getting quite out of hand.

I understand and slightly agree with you when you say they're "blaming the wrong people and not taking responsiblity"-- many people out there are dumb with their $, but big businesses see this as an opportunity and use it to their advantage (giving out houses, cars, student loans, etc. when they know these people can't afford them) However, there are those who are just being blunt and rational in this fiasco-



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Do you think that if those in power are not able to contain this quickly they wont throw all of you onto some reservation (or worse) too?

I honestly don't think it would get that bad (atleast not yet!). And on a historical-economical scale, this is really nothing new and people 100 years ago felt the same way as Americans do now-
http://dont-tread-on.me/learning-old-lessons/
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Re: Occupy "Portland" and others
« Reply #12 on: October 18, 2011, 06:19:16 pm »
The major force (as far as I've been told by people protesting in the Chicago area) is against big businesses making specialized shady plans to screw over people and come out on top when everyone below takes the blow. For instance they believe companies shouldn't be "too big to fail" and shouldnt receive gov't bailouts when they make mistakes that could have been avoided with a little common sense-- their butts are covered if they fail, but the people below are unshielded and these mistakes end up damaging everyone. People are now getting arrested just because they want to close their bank accounts and whatnot, so it's getting quite out of hand.

I understand and slightly agree with you when you say they're "blaming the wrong people and not taking responsiblity"-- many people out there are dumb with their $, but big businesses see this as an opportunity and use it to their advantage (giving out houses, cars, student loans, etc. when they know these people can't afford them) However, there are those who are just being blunt and rational in this fiasco-

I agree that companies should be allowed to live and die by their own swords, but it isn't their fault that they got bailed out, it is the governments.  While it is their fault they were in the situation to be in such dire shape (something I contend was exaggerated as a company will alter its image if it sees free money on the way), it is also the governments fault for forcing the lending institutions to provide mortgages to people that could not afford them.  So basically the government created the environment for the crisis and the government then bailed out those that were foolish enough to not read the writing on the wall (not every institution that received a bail out needed one and not everyone that received one asked for one as some were forced to take the money in order to protect the images of the others).

Now what do we have after the governmental 'rescued' us with the bail outs?  We have even larger companies than before that have not altered their style in any way as they know now that if they were "too big to fail" at their earlier smaller sizes then they must be more so at their new and larger sizes.  It is natural for some business to fail and that is why we have our bankruptcy laws.  These things happen quite often and many that go bankrupt return even stronger and learn from their mistakes.  When the government interferes with free market and basically hands out trophies to every team, including the losers, we are left with a corruption of the very capitalism that caused us to be the great nation we were/are.

For these people to waste one moment blaming the banks and companies is foolishness at its best.  They should be marching on Washington as that is the source of the problems and that is the only place where a prevention of it occurring again can be accomplished.  But this isn't about responsibility and ethics, it is a purposeful movement of class warfare and divisiveness with a combination of short term political pursuits and the long term downfall of America.   Note: I am not saying everyone involved is working towards this end because they are not, but many are being duped through emotion to react in the predictable fashion of "mob mentality".  This is easy to recognize when you simply realize the source of the conditions for the crime to take place, the perpetrator of the crime (remember, the bailouts were the crime and not that the companies operated poorly), who is being blamed for the crime, and who is doing the blaming from afar.

The companies should have been allowed to fail as that is how capitalism works (it is self correcting)...they were not, though, and that outrages me.  It is government that puts us in jeopardy as it has grown far too large and uses every chance to interject fear to control us and there are so darn many foolish people in America today that will readily trade a large portion of their freedom for a measure of safety.  Unless this movement changes to "Occupy Washington" it will remain a fools errand comprised of nothing more than lemmings.
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Re: Occupy "Portland" and others
« Reply #13 on: October 21, 2011, 10:04:05 pm »
The banks and other large corporations own the government, though.  They've bought the politicians and completely subverted the political process.

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