Stand for something...

[Falconer02]

You have your opinions, I have mine.  Everyone is entitled to their "own" opinions.

There's a slight difference between having an opinion and deceptively disregarding facts to align ones thoughts with a preconcieved notion. Example of what's going on here- We're standing infront of a tennis ball. I tell you that ball is sitting on the ground not moving and was probably used by a tennis player since there's a court near by. I also say that maybe a man/woman with a dog used it since the park we're in occasionally has dogs running around it.

You disagree and tell me that the ball is universally special, was used by a dozen clowns who could magically fly, ate AAA batteries for food, and had keys to all of the secret whitehouse chambers. Not only do you tell me this, but you say soon that the ball will be floating in the air, making a high-pitched scream, will morph into a duck which will fly north instead of south during the winter and if I don't agree with this, it will haunt me every night for the rest of my life. You attempt to back this belief up with facts, but they also make no sense, and contradict reality even more so. I scratch my head and disagree with you, but you're telling me that's only my opinion on the ball. I'd really have to throw reality out the window to believe that and just immerse myself in self-deception to go that far, wouldn't I?

The Bible and the Great Flood (watch this video falconer and note the part about what the Bible says in 2 Peter 3:3--- see what was predicted)...then keep going, it explains why we both could have the same exact data but come to different conclusions

I skimmed the video-- kind of a long watch and im really tired right now. Considering what it shows at 1:37, I doubt I really have to watch it since it's preaching pseudoscience and obvious false history. Certainly if you believe this should be taught in classrooms alongside actual science, then you'd have no problem teaching all of these with your view, right?  http://www.magictails.com/creationlinks.html

"Modern geology cannot explain fossil graveyards and many geologists admit to this. These graveyards are dramatic evidence that an era of the world ended with enormous violence.

This is a big lie plain and simple. Geologists can explain fossil graveyards. Hell, ANYONE can explain fossil graveyards. It does not take a person with their Masters in Geology to know that massive amounts of animals and plants can die in one place from severe drought, large quantities of carnivores in one area, drowning in a flooded river/lake from undertow, tar pits, etc. This is just an old outdated and uneducated argument that creationists still throw around-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flood_geology

"Flood geology contradicts the scientific consensus in geology, physics, chemistry, molecular genetics, evolutionary biology, archaeology, and paleontology, and the scientific community considers the subject to be pseudoscience."

[DanielKorycki]

Creationism and evolution aren't necessarily uncompatible, are they?

[Falconer02]

Creationism and evolution aren't necessarily uncompatible, are they?

Should the "Fantasy" or "Mythology" section be merged with the "Science" section at the library?

[freepcmoney]

YOU HAVE TO STAND FOR SOMETHING----OR----YOU WILL FALL FOR ANYTHING!!!

AN OPEN MIND WILL RECEIVE AND BELIEVE ANYTHING !!

IF----YOU AIN'T GOT GUTS ENOUGH TO BE YOURSELF-----THEN MAYBE---YOU JUST OUGHT NOT TO BE!!

[SherylsShado]

 falconer:

     I can see how "both sides" can use the exact, similiar arguments to try and prove their point and they BOTH can't be right.  One of us has been sold one of the biggest boxes of dung ever given to mankind---if it was me then, so?  If it was you...then what?
     God "creates" and Satan "imitates".  "Creation" is God's story and "Evolution" is Satan's story.  (If that sounds "funny" there's many more instances where Satan is capable of imitating God, see search engine).  Satan is referred to as an "angel of light" but he is known for being the "GREAT DECEIVER".  How do you KNOW you haven't been deceived?
      I can look at everything, all information--all facts--all information from all sources and still have an open-mind to what I am seeing.  An "open mind" being that I pretty much have my mind made up but I can still ponder ALL the evidence.  The Bible says without faith, it is IMPOSSIBLE to please God, so faith is required but I haven't seen any evidence yet that is contrary to God's Word.  I have no problem with letting every person choose for themselves what they wish to believe but you seem so adamant that you get to make important choices for others as to what they are going to believe/be taught in school and that's not right.  No one forced you to believe the way you do and so, others should get to enjoy that same freedom.  
       (Note: in reference to some former posts, I don't know who was "attacking" who in this thread...I was NOT "attacking" falconer and I don't feel that he was "attacking" me.  We were just discussing, which I believe is what D&D is for.)
              
 *** Why put the "fantasy" and "mythology" books in the science section when there's already a Science Fiction, Science Fantasy and Science Mythology section?        

 

[Falconer02]

  "Creation" is God's story and "Evolution" is Satan's story.

Creationism, Yahweh, and Satan do not exist and those magical/supernatural events never happened. They are a bunch of romanticized myths at best. Just like the ones in all of the other civilizations within that link I posted. The only thing that can physically be proven is evolution. Why? Because we have a fossil record which proves macroevolution, and we can see microevolution happen with practically every living thing today. The burden of proof with evolution has been vastly displayed and that's why it is taught in well-developed countries around the world. Creationism has no proof and the abrahamic god (and his arch-nemesis) is just one of a million other gods. You have every right to still believe in these creation stories, but introducing them into the classroom and trying to pass them off as legitimate science would be obvious lying to children and that's furthest from right.

Satan is referred to as an "angel of light" but he is known for being the "GREAT DECEIVER".  How do you KNOW you haven't been deceived?

Because what you said here is the oldest fear tactic in the ancient world. It's an appeal to fear and ultimately a false dilemma.

seem so adamant that you get to make important choices for others as to what they are going to believe/be taught in school and that's not right.

Keeping ancient myths away from real science is a completely moral stance since you are keeping old superstitions away from logic and reason.

who in this thread...I was NOT "attacking" falconer and I don't feel that he was "attacking" me.

Yeah I wasn't even sure if that was directed at us or not.

Why put the "fantasy" and "mythology" books in the science section when there's already a Science Fiction, Science Fantasy and Science Mythology section?

Science fiction is practically fantasy though it does have more 'realistic' qualities taken from things we already know about. Example being Star Wars is science-fantasy (The Force, Jedi, Alien worlds from a long long time ago in a galaxy far far away, etc.)whereas Star Trek is more science-fiction (warp engines, photon torpedoes, future earth, etc.).

[SherylsShado]

Because what you said here is the oldest fear tactic in the ancient world. It's an appeal to fear and ultimately a false dilemma.

   There are some pastors/evangelists/ministers that seem to "rely" on "fear/fear tactics" to get people to fill their churches, the message of "hell & damnation" and them yelling, pounding on the pulpit...I don't care for their tactics.
   I wasn't trying to use any fear tactic on you, I was simply asking you a question.  I think everyone will someday be held accountable for their choices (among other things) and if you are comfortable with your choices, fantastic.  There's "no fear here" with my choices either.  So...we're good 
     

[ocranito22]

I stand up for myself a good majority of the time, and everything I believe in along with it.

[DanielKorycki]

Creationism and evolution aren't necessarily uncompatible, are they?

Should the "Fantasy" or "Mythology" section be merged with the "Science" section at the library?

What I mean to say is perhaps God created the world and then the creatures evolved. I don't deny evolution (most people agree that dogs came from wolves) but I certainly believe in God. I don't see what's so unbelievable about God originally creating the world. Especially considering the alternatives. The Big Bang Theory, although stating that the universe, in an original hot, dense state,  expanded rapidly to form what we have now (correct me if I'm wrong), doesn't explain how that original state came to be. Matter had to originate somehow. A higher power on a different plane of existence would seem like a reasonable explanation.