Bigfoot?

[Kiki1992]

That's the first time I've heard that BIG FOOT thing. I'm gonna have to look it up. Seriously???  wow

[Falconer02]

It would be accurate & REAL but it would sound absurd to them.  So then, wouldn't it make sense that their "accounts" of the REAL would probably sound absurd to us?

Considering these accounts were written when people were gullible to just about anything and skeptics were frequently shunned, I don't find this statement correct. It's like a child telling you there's a monster under their bed. The child's account of what is real is greatly different to yours because you know bed monsters do not exist outside of fantasy.

[SherylsShado]

It would be accurate & REAL but it would sound absurd to them.  So then, wouldn't it make sense that their "accounts" of the REAL would probably sound absurd to us?

Considering these accounts were written when people were gullible to just about anything and skeptics were frequently shunned, I don't find this statement correct. It's like a child telling you there's a monster under their bed. The child's account of what is real is greatly different to yours because you know bed monsters do not exist outside of fantasy.

 

 I don't think the skeptics were "frequently shunned", the Bible has many accounts of them being punished severely for doubting God was a God of His Word but they still seemed to be the "majority", especially considering it was Noah and only seven of his family members that weren't skeptical of God and everyone else "missed the boat".
 

I think if we traveled back in time and told the skeptics of the world's events and conveniences of just the past 50 years, they would be the ones MOST likely to doubt what we said and the funny thing is---we'd be telling the absolute truth!  I think it would be those that had faith and trust in God, they would be the ones to keep what was said to them in the back of their minds and they would pass along what we told them to their children & their children's children.  They'd be the ones to watch world events/news and see how these things would and could come to pass.

I'll end with the quote from today's FC email (but in it's entirety): “Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited to all we now know and understand, while imagination embraces the entire world, and all there ever will be to know and understand.”
--Albert Einstein

[Falconer02]

I don't think the skeptics were "frequently shunned", the Bible has many accounts of them being punished severely for doubting God was a God of His Word but they still seemed to be the "majority", especially considering it was Noah and only seven of his family members that weren't skeptical of God and everyone else "missed the boat".

This never happened. And who would follow a god who punishes people for being skeptical? Skepticism is a GOOD thing. What a jerk! Even if the biblegod were real, a person who valued intelligence, morals, and sanity would never worship that god.

I think if we traveled back in time and told the skeptics of the world's events and conveniences of just the past 50 years, they would be the ones MOST likely to doubt what we said and the funny thing is---we'd be telling the absolute truth!

Skeptical people always have the notion that most things seem possible even if they seem unrealistic at the time-- in a physical manner I mean. A usual response from a skeptic in this case would probably be "Since it has been thought of, I'm sure it could be possible in the future. But we do not have the know-how at the moment so I can't really say anything on the matter unless you show me how it works correctly. It can't go beyond speculation." I mean people have been predicting things like the Iphone and televisions for over 100 years now- http://paleo-future.blogspot.com/2007/04/postcards-showing-year-2000-circa-1900.html  (click it-- it's really funny and cool)  Why? Because although it seemed really out there, people knew it could be possible since similar things were being slowly developed at the time.

But going back to the original topic-- look at my first post in this thread on page 1 for a skeptical viewpoint on bigfoot.

“Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited to all we now know and understand, while imagination embraces the entire world, and all there ever will be to know and understand.”

2 words- Star Trek. This show was very imaginative and brought about a lot of technology we take for granted nowadays (sliding doors, medical equipment, computers, etc.) But it all started from something that was fake. Who knows? In a thousand years people might think the 'ancient' adventures of the Enterprise really happened!

[SherylsShado]

This never happened. And who would follow a god who punishes people for being skeptical? What a jerk! Even if the biblegod were real, a person who valued intelligence, morals, and sanity would never worship that god.

 It has never been proven that the Flood absolutely never happened.  Science has some unanswered questions about things from that time period, questions that the Flood event would answer but of course...let's not even consider that an option since "God-less scientists" say it can't be.  

God doesn't punish people for wondering how things in the world work-- He gave people their ability to question, reason and wonder.  EVERY single time in the Bible, when a person/person's started taking God out of the picture---that's when their REAL troubles began.  

IMO, I don't think there is any real intelligence, morals or sanity without God.  I have seen people possess multiple degrees, they think they are so smart and superior but what they've been learning...is a bunch of nonsense that is going to get them nowhere if there is an "afterlife".  

Morals without God?  I suppose it could remotely be possible but I happen to know there's an awful lot of immoral people even in the churches, so I dunno.  

Sanity without God?  That would depend on how one defines "sanity".  IMO, Christianity is the only teaching that makes logical sense to me (and I've studied all the popular ones).  If there is even a remote chance that what the Bible says is true then I think it would be completely insane to take a chance on dying and not have one's life right with God.  Especially when the Bible says there will be NO second chances to make things right.  Sanity says to "get it right while one still can", it seems to me like living in complete denial would be insanity.

[Falconer02]

It has never been proven that the Flood absolutely never happened.  Science has some unanswered questions about things from that time period, questions that the Flood event would answer but of course...let's not even consider that an option since "God-less scientists" say it can't be. 

It has actually since there are no gaps in any other world civilizations. That, and the physicalities of everything in that story are just bonkers.
http://www.deusdiapente.net/science/flood.php

God doesn't punish people for wondering how things in the world work-- He gave people their ability to question, reason and wonder.  EVERY single time in the Bible, when a person/person's started taking God out of the picture---that's when their REAL troubles began. 

Strangely this only happens in the bible.

IMO, I don't think there is any real intelligence, morals or sanity without God.

WHAT? That's an insanely naive statement. A good example of what I said is Japan. Japan is a primarily atheist country and they are a leading country when it comes to intelligence, morals, and sanity. They have one of the lowest crime rates on this planet.

Especially when the Bible says there will be NO second chances to make things right.

I'm more mature than the bible then!

[SherylsShado]

WHAT? That's an insanely naive statement. A good example of what I said is Japan. Japan is a primarily atheist country and they are a leading country when it comes to intelligence, morals, and sanity. They have one of the lowest crime rates on this planet.

Again, it would depend on your definition of "intelligence", "morals" and "sanity".  A person can have an IQ higher than Einstein but if they die and there is a God...and they DIDN'T KNOW it, then how will it matter what their earthly I.Q. was?

Morals...a person can be a "good person" without God but if they have more sainthood than Mother Theresa and they die, and there is a God...then what good will all their earthly "goodness" do them?

Sanity?  The Bible says "'As surely as I live,' says the Lord, 'every knee will bow before me; every tongue will confess to God.'"  (I think that verse sufficiently covers the Japanese). A person can have "sanity" on earth without God but what good will their "sanity" be to them when they die and discover God surely lives...and they "blew it"?

[seventh1]

Kind of a three part question.

Do you believe in Bigfoot?

If not, why? 

Do you believe in God?
[/quoteThe way things are going in this world I don't know what to believe anymore.

[Falconer02]

Again, it would depend on your definition of "intelligence", "morals" and "sanity".  A person can have an IQ higher than Einstein but if they die and there is a God...and they DIDN'T KNOW it, then how will it matter what their earthly I.Q. was?

God but if they have more sainthood than Mother Theresa and they die, and there is a God...then what good will all their earthly "goodness" do them?

Depends on which god/afterlife. These reasonings are one of the many reasons why religion is disappearing in most developed countries- they're too narrow and make no sense at all.

The way things are going in this world I don't know what to believe anymore.

Believe in yourself, bro.

[seventh1]

I believe in him a whole lot.

[SherylsShado]

Depends on which god/afterlife. These reasonings are one of the many reasons why religion is disappearing in most developed countries- they're too narrow and make no sense at all.

There are many "gods", there is only one "God" (even the Bible says so). 

You know what else is in the Bible?  "One World Religion", it's in there right along with the rest of the signs of the "end times". 

[Falconer02]

There are many "gods", there is only one "God" (even the Bible says so).  

My point was that the biblegod is just one in that big group of them. THe bible isn't the only source of religious beliefs in the world. It's just a popular one.

You know what else is in the Bible?  "One World Religion", it's in there right along with the rest of the signs of the "end times".  

Every christian I've talked to about their beliefs has always told me we're living in the end times. Every single one. And I'm sure it has been that way in any time period just as the graph points out. Teflonfanatic and I got into a debate a while back about the signs of the "end times" and how things have been much worse in the past when paralleled with the present. The bible uses vague self-fulfilling prophecies that can be aligned with almost anything when you think about it. The only reason things seem so bad is just because the media gets off on it and we have a vast array of communications nowadays to spread the info.

[SherylsShado]

Every christian I've talked to about their beliefs has always told me we're living in the end times. Every single one. And I'm sure it has been that way in any time period just as the graph points out. Teflonfanatic and I got into a debate a while back about the signs of the "end times" and how things have been much worse in the past when paralleled with the present.

Yes, I know...followers have been saying Jesus would be coming back ever since He left (in the New Testament).  Jesus NEVER said when He would be coming back, only that He WOULD be returning.  The calendar, the watch, the 24 hour/7 days a week thing---it's all runs on "earth time".  "Earth time" is NOT the same as "God's time".  There are a few prophecies in the Bible that still need to be fulfilled (and those would be events that actually could happen ANY time now) then there would be nothing to prevent His return according to what has been said in Scripture...except for the prayers of Christians for Christ to "hold off" because of their unsaved loved ones.   With each and every day that passes, we are certainly one day closer than we were the day before.