Killing in the name of......

[jcribb16]

We have our catalog of sins. We have rape and incest and murder ; and we have them all cataloged and classified--but there isn't one of them (or even put them all together in one big hunk) that comes close to the sin of keeping Jesus Christ out of your life.

And you wonder why people have problems with your religion!!  According to your god, I am infinitely worse than a murderer simply for not believing he exists.  That is some severely messed up dogma right there, and if you can't see how it is, you're brainwashed.

No, it is you who still cannot or choose to not fathom the message in this.

Not to take sides, but you did say denying christ is worse than murder, rape, even incest. could you clarify the message?

“Jesus thus regards blasphemy against the Spirit—permanently rejecting his identity (Matthew 12:18) as attested by the Spirit's works (12:28)—as the worst of sins”
[Craig S. Keener, The IVP Bible Background Commentary, New Testament (Downers Grove, Illinois: InterVarsity Press, 1993), p. 80.].

In other words, "speaking against the Holy Spirit is equivalent to rejecting Christ with such finality that no future repentance is possible."

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/unpardonablesin.html explains it so much better than me trying to put it in only a few words.

Excellent!

Thanks!  It's tough answering hard questions when you want to try and give right answers that satisfy (or hopefully partially satisfy) what they want to know (or hear) and at the same time making sure the answer is given in the correct biblical aspect for what we believe, as well as saying it correctly.

[Annella]

I have no idea what the space science lesson was for, but no one person is insignificant to God.  Only people devalue human life or purpose.  However Marieelissa, you do keep me amused.

Have a good rest of your week-end....I'm certainly going to.

[502mania]

“Jesus thus regards blasphemy against the Spirit—permanently rejecting his identity (Matthew 12:18) as attested by the Spirit's works (12:28)—as the worst of sins”
[Craig S. Keener, The IVP Bible Background Commentary, New Testament (Downers Grove, Illinois: InterVarsity Press, 1993), p. 80.].
In other words, "speaking against the Holy Spirit is equivalent to rejecting Christ with such finality that no future repentance is possible."
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/unpardonablesin.html explains it so much better than me trying to put it in only a few words.

So according to this, denying christ is worse than murder, rape, incest, etc.? seriously?

[Annella]

“Jesus thus regards blasphemy against the Spirit—permanently rejecting his identity (Matthew 12:18) as attested by the Spirit's works (12:28)—as the worst of sins”
[Craig S. Keener, The IVP Bible Background Commentary, New Testament (Downers Grove, Illinois: InterVarsity Press, 1993), p. 80.].
In other words, "speaking against the Holy Spirit is equivalent to rejecting Christ with such finality that no future repentance is possible."
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/unpardonablesin.html explains it so much better than me trying to put it in only a few words.

So according to this, denying christ is worse than murder, rape, incest, etc.? seriously?

Chase, you've been told before, it does no good to ask a question, receive the answer, and then turn around and ask the same question.  This is redundant, and repetitive.  Jcribb gave you an excellent answer.  I see you do this on other threads also.  You'll ask the same question over and over after getting the best answers over and over. Makes me wonder if you really want the answers, or your just jerking people's chain.

You have been given pertinent information, and then there comes a time when you "search" out your own answers to that information you received.  It's obvious to all who read your posts......and the answering posts to your questions, that you don't actually read the answers, and then do any type of study or reading on it yourself.  If you did, you would not keep parroting the same questions over and over.

You have been given pages of information to filter through and look into on your own, including websites, that's obvious you have not visited.

[502mania]

anella, jcribb said

We have our catalog of sins. We have rape and incest and murder ; and we have them all cataloged and classified--but there isn't one of them (or even put them all together in one big hunk) that comes close to the sin of keeping Jesus Christ out of your life.
an then quoted scripture when i asked if murder, rape, etc. was not as bad as denying christ. honestly do you guys believe that?

[Annella]

“Jesus thus regards blasphemy against the Spirit—permanently rejecting his identity (Matthew 12:18) as attested by the Spirit's works (12:28)—as the worst of sins”
[Craig S. Keener, The IVP Bible Background Commentary, New Testament (Downers Grove, Illinois: InterVarsity Press, 1993), p. 80.].

In other words, "speaking against the Holy Spirit is equivalent to rejecting Christ with such finality that no future repentance is possible."

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/unpardonablesin.html explains it so much better than me trying to put it in only a few words.

Do you remember what Jcribb wrote you above with the website she provided?  Clear indication you did not read it. 

It's easy to miss something while everyone is posting.  This is an excellent answer to your question, and a website that gives good information.  Sherene has even said she will sometimes Google a subject, and up pops a lot of websites and information that she can use.  Instead of taking the defensive and asking the same questions over and over, go do some research on your own.  That's how you actually learn different sides of a debate, or just for your own gathering of knowledge.

Of course if you have a valid Biblical question, there are those on here who are happy to answer it, and point you to their source.  However, once they've done that, it's really up to you to search out that answer for yourself.  That way......you get it in your own understanding.

[jcribb16]

“Jesus thus regards blasphemy against the Spirit—permanently rejecting his identity (Matthew 12:18) as attested by the Spirit's works (12:28)—as the worst of sins”
[Craig S. Keener, The IVP Bible Background Commentary, New Testament (Downers Grove, Illinois: InterVarsity Press, 1993), p. 80.].

In other words, "speaking against the Holy Spirit is equivalent to rejecting Christ with such finality that no future repentance is possible."

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/unpardonablesin.html explains it so much better than me trying to put it in only a few words.

Do you remember what Jcribb wrote you above with the website she provided?  Clear indication you did not read it. 

It's easy to miss something while everyone is posting.  This is an excellent answer to your question, and a website that gives good information.  Sherene has even said she will sometimes Google a subject, and up pops a lot of websites and information that she can use.  Instead of taking the defensive and asking the same questions over and over, go do some research on your own.  That's how you actually learn different sides of a debate, or just for your own gathering of knowledge.

Of course if you have a valid Biblical question, there are those on here who are happy to answer it, and point you to their source.  However, once they've done that, it's really up to you to search out that answer for yourself.  That way......you get it in your own understanding.

Thanks, Annella.  There's really nothing more we can say until he chooses to do his own research.   

[shernajwine]

anella, jcribb said

We have our catalog of sins. We have rape and incest and murder ; and we have them all cataloged and classified--but there isn't one of them (or even put them all together in one big hunk) that comes close to the sin of keeping Jesus Christ out of your life.
an then quoted scripture when i asked if murder, rape, etc. was not as bad as denying christ. honestly do you guys believe that?

I believe that there is no sin that can separate you from the love of God, there is no sin that is not forgivable, but by rejecting Him; you are separating yourself from Him by choice. You are still loved, but you chose to reject that love.

Everyone sins, people who call on God to save them are forgiven. People who don't, are sinners without God and have made a choice to be separated from Him. It's not about murder and rape being worse than rejecting Christ, it's that rejecting Christ is what saves people no matter what they have done. Being good doesn't save you. No one can be good enough to deserve God's grace. It's a gift that you have to accept or reject.

[502mania]

truthfully, i appreciate the anwers. but i ask unbiased questions and get biased answers. all of these answers take the side of christianity or another religion. you all have said "this is from the old testament". well, either god made a mistake (which indicates he isn't GOD just a higher being), or god changed his/her/it's mind about he murdering, but not slavey. it even appeas i the new testament. now seriously, is slavery rght? NO. we know that. can it be justified? yes, if you rationalize direct quotes from the bible. It seems you guys think i'm being antagonistic. I'm not. i don't mean to sound as such.

[Annella]

truthfully, i appreciate the anwers. but i ask unbiased questions and get biased answers. all of these answers take the side of christianity or another religion. you all have said "this is from the old testament". well, either god made a mistake (which indicates he isn't GOD just a higher being), or god changed his/her/it's mind about he murdering, but not slavey. it even appeas i the new testament. now seriously, is slavery rght? NO. we know that. can it be justified? yes, if you rationalize direct quotes from the bible. It seems you guys think i'm being antagonistic. I'm not. i don't mean to sound as such.

No one can tell you what you "must" choose.  That's up to you.  Your post has some of the SAME questions as before.  I'll have to say that some of your questions are biased, and it seems to me sometimes you don't read the answers until your back around asking the same questions.  You've been presented with both sides, now the ball is in your court.  We will not "force" you into Christianity, it's a free will choice.  If these answers are taking the side of Christianity, and you want a different answer, then why ask Christians?  Your posts go in a circle that you put yourself in.  Only you can break yourself out of it.  I've seen you parrot queen of nines and her atheist stance, because at the time that's what you choose to believe?  I don't know.  You actually have to choose where you stand....nobody can do that for you.  We will pray for you and hope you find what your looking for.  God Bless

[jcribb16]

502, I am sorry if you think some of our answers are biased.  You have received information from Christians, non-christians, and atheists in these threads.  It really is up to you to do some research and even speak with pastors and/or scientists on the outside that can specifically answer your questions (also from a Christian point of view and/or from a scientific point of view.)  My hope for you, of course, would be to choose God.  However, I am not pushing you toward that and I am not going to make remarks to put you on any kind of guilt trip.  I'm also not going to give you a bunch of nonsensical rantings. You need to make up your own mind which direction you want to go.  I wish for you in whatever you choose, nothing but peace of mind and heart for you.

[queenofnines]

I've seen you parrot queen of nines and her atheist stance, because at the time that's what you choose to believe?

WOW.  I think it's pretty obvious, 502, that this woman should not be trusted.  She'll insult anyone that disagrees with her under the cover of passive aggression, while simultaneously playing the victim card.

[Annella]

I've seen you parrot queen of nines and her atheist stance, because at the time that's what you choose to believe?

WOW.  I think it's pretty obvious, 502, that this woman should not be trusted.  She'll insult anyone that disagrees with her under the cover of passive aggression, while simultaneously playing the victim card.

Oh, I think he's a smart cookie, and sees through most what's going on here qon.....good try though.  Funny, I never thought of myself as a victim....absurd!  Since it was put to him as a question....you know....?  I'm just trying to help him see the confusion he's having.

He decision is his alone, which has nothing to do with him trusting in me, or you, for that matter.  So your effort in trying to nail this down to "people" falls flat.