Case for a Creator

[shernajwine]

lynn you are absolutely right about that. the reason is because you can't prove God  100%! There are always going to be gaps that defy explanation and so it still requires faith to believe in Him. The important thing is that we don't have blind faith and believe in Him with no evidence. Reasonable belief in God is based on evidence and personal experience. Science has evidence for God's existence, the bible has historical evidence for Christ and once someone is willing to accept that; it's still a journey to discover a personal God who is very much involved and interested in our lives!

People who are searching for God need plenty of intercessory prayer to overcome the spiritual and psychological hurdles to believing and accepting His truth.

[queenofnines]

They begin to question everything they believe because they are extremely unhappy.

Unhappiness had nothing to do with it for me personally.  Although I can totally see why some people would be unhappy in a religion that tells them they were born worthless, dirty, and destined for hell.  THIS IS A KEY TENET OF CHRISTIANITY; YOU CANNOT DENY THIS.  

Perhaps you've found a church that isn't constantly telling you that all of your success in life is due to god - NOT YOU - and that the world and your sinful life is "a garbage dump" <-- actual description by a radio pastor that I heard today.  But I doubt it.  I bet your church probably DOES say stuff like this, you just don't realize it.

When they get unhappy enough they begin to search out other avenues of belief.

Once again, for me personally, leaving the flock had nothing to do with unhappiness.  It was entirely due to realizing reality and thinking critically.  The key thing atheists realize is the ridiculousness of being born against our will (as babies) and then being fated to everlasting torture unless we "believe in" and sacrifice our lives to some vengeful character in the sky.

God's "plan" for all of us can be compared to a rapist with a gun: you can use your "free will" to say no to submitting to the man in control, but if you don't let him take over, he'll blow your brains out and steal your body to do what he wishes with it thereafter.  P.S. The rapist loves you.

[shernajwine]

Lol, ok, now so far in this forum we are told by atheists God=charles manson and God=a rapist oh wait (a loving rapist)

*shaking head* lol I don't mean to be condescending but this so ridiculous it isn't worth trying to argue about anymore.

My daughter tried to call me a bully and compared me to the bullies at her school, she was being serious but inside I was laughing at such a comparison. I'm no more a bully to my daughter than God is a murderous loving rapist LOL!!

[Annella]

Lol, ok, now so far in this forum we are told by atheists God=charles manson and God=a rapist oh wait (a loving rapist)

*shaking head* lol I don't mean to be condescending but this so ridiculous it isn't worth trying to argue about anymore.

My daughter tried to call me a bully and compared me to the bullies at her school, she was being serious but inside I was laughing at such a comparison. I'm no more a bully to my daughter than God is a murderous loving rapist LOL!!

LOL

[lancenweman1978]

she was being serious but inside I was laughing at such a comparison.

That is good to hear. Those of us that are free often laugh inside at the many seemingly paradoxes we see all around us. I know now that I am free I look back and just shake my head at how lost and blind I used to be (still am to a degree) but virtually everything I did, learned and knew prior to 25 was really nothing it was all preparation for the next 25 years. We all just need time to be alive for a while before our minds are prepared to comprehend the vastness of all there is to know and if we are fortunate to know what even 1/100000000 of it all means.

Obviously kids are severely insecure, fragile, arrogant, lost and don't have one iota of a clue in that they can afford to be when they have loving parents but they literally just don't fully understand how their words and actions fully affect those around them, partially because they have *bleep* for attention spans and have virtually no memory after the fact of what they say or do. Usually they just move on to the next thing going on in their fragile little minds. The same qualities that make them weak in all these areas are simultaneously what make them great, and that they forget, forgive, let go, trust, believe and are hopeful. They haven't lived long and haven't seen the true world yet, at least most kids, i'm sure the kids from angola would argue that point, but aside from a few exceptions it takes a while to learn to have a decent and accurate moral compass.

The fact you can laugh at the absurdity shows you aren't fragile as many are and can control initial reactions in lieu of well analyzed, planned and appropriate responses and/or reactions. Not being subject to our multitude of emotions and overreactions is a skill not easily tamed but one that is priceless once learned.

So many people are severely insecure, fearful, distrusting, uneducated and much much more and I have seen that sometimes they act out to those around them to inherently and/or instinctually find out whom around them is strong enough to count on to allow them to act out without dire consequences. It seems to be an inherent behavior built into our dna as it truly lets us know who we can count on and whom can handle life's great challenges and then those people naturally have people gravitate towards them of course there are exceptions. Too many people resent those that can let go and still be confident because they are free to some degree and know the little things count for a lot but aren't worth getting stuck on and since many people are raised quite poorly (myself included) it is a clear-cut decision to be patient, generous, kind, loving etc etc towards those still searching to the path as many people were patient with us when we possibly didn't know it because they knew we hadn't reached true freedom yet.

ok this has snowballed enough.