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lucky382001

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Re: Health Care Bill passed in America
« Reply #15 on: March 22, 2010, 01:12:35 pm »
I fear the worst but am hoping it will go better than I think.

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Re: Health Care Bill passed in America
« Reply #16 on: March 22, 2010, 01:17:17 pm »
I think it sucks how the people who have worked hard their whole life to have good health care or getting screwed over. Plus, you can see how the government is slowly and silently trying to take all the control from the people. I hope that we eventually come to our senses.

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Re: Health Care Bill passed in America
« Reply #17 on: March 22, 2010, 01:29:48 pm »
I think it's definitely HUGE regardless of what side you're on!!...I'm not sure what my thoughts are...it looks pretty good, but I really need to look more into it....I'm amazed at how little of a "majority" the House really needs to pass something though...220-211 is really close..

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Re: Health Care Bill passed in America
« Reply #18 on: March 22, 2010, 04:38:07 pm »
1.  The current state of healthcare in this country is absolutely terrible.
2.  Forcing people to buy insurance from the very same insurance companies that have been screwing us is idiotic, without a robust public option.

Something needed to be done, but this bill doesn't go far enough and seems too much like a corporatist handout.  At least it's a place to start, though.

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Re: Health Care Bill passed in America
« Reply #19 on: March 22, 2010, 05:01:04 pm »
i know this is America and land of the free,but those against this bill are really blind. Can they not see that health care bill is allowing the government to look out for us rather than big greedy companies who don't give a damn about the people? i don't know about you guys but I'd rather have the government care for me any day. so i guess im celebrating for it because our world probably has a chance for changing now...

Ha, Ha, Ha. Yes the government has done such a good job of looking out for us with Social Security, which is now broke, because ALL the money that they forcebly took from our paychecks ALL those years was supposed to be put into a Social Security Trust Fund, Buttttt the government just couldn't stand to see ALL that money just sitting there. Sooooo they changed the law and borrowed my money ( without my permission ) that they took by force out of my paychecks, and now Social Security is broke and they are now borrowing money from China to cover their thieving a**es to keep Social Security checks coming. What do you think will happen when China calls the notes due and the government  can't pay??

Medicare is broke, Medicaide is broke. The US Government is broke. You are probably right. Since they have done such a great job of managing ALL these other programs, they can do a better job of managing your Health Care, BUTTTT I sure don't want them managing mine!!! 

Yes there (WAS) some problems with our healthcare system, BUTTTT it (WAS) the best in the world. People used to come here from all over the world for surgeries and other health care problems, because we (WERE) the best on the planet. 

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Re: Health Care Bill passed in America
« Reply #20 on: March 22, 2010, 06:03:25 pm »
I am so ashamed about this. what is going on with this issue. Is is convenient or inconvenient for America?

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« Reply #21 on: March 22, 2010, 06:26:29 pm »
I want to know what took so long-Canada has been doing it forever-only better. I'm still worried about this mandatory insurance coverage.There are a lot of us out here who are not poor enough to get free insurance nor rich enough to buy it,either.we're between a rock and a hard place. I hope there is a happy medium somewhere.
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Re: Health Care Bill passed in America
« Reply #22 on: March 22, 2010, 07:42:05 pm »
Health care? I never worried about having one.  ;D
Not everybody can afford it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWuX2s7h55A

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Re: Health Care Bill passed in America
« Reply #23 on: March 22, 2010, 11:35:44 pm »
I dont know because right now I still have my parents insurance but come may i wont, so i do not know whats best.

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Re: Health Care Bill passed in America
« Reply #24 on: March 22, 2010, 11:48:09 pm »
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Yes there (WAS) some problems with our healthcare system, BUTTTT it (WAS) the best in the world. People used to come here from all over the world for surgeries and other health care problems, because we (WERE) the best on the planet.

Ha ha now that really is funny.  Have you ever traveled outside the country?

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Re: Health Care Bill passed in America
« Reply #25 on: March 23, 2010, 06:38:20 am »
when was the last time did the govt. do anything that didn't cost more than the private sector they will mess this up like everything else they run the country will be so far in debt that who knows what will happen wake up people and find out what a bill of goods we have been sold.

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Re: Health Care Bill passed in America
« Reply #26 on: March 23, 2010, 07:10:38 am »
The US didn't just fall apart overnight, it took years and many Presidents let it destroy itself. When someone finally does something, anything to change the ways and hopefully better our way of living they are attacked. At least we are not being ignored anymore. Is it right that when you are in the Hospital a box of Kleenex, used or not is billed for $12.00 to your Ins.? ONE Tylenol is $16.00. My Son has no Ins. last year he sprained his ankle, we thought it was broken...he was billed $8,249.00...3 hours in the ER and a sprained ankle can be devastating to people without some type of coverage. The Ins. Companies have been milking the system for years and bleeding us try. Something has to change and I believe that this is a good start. Just my opinion. I don't want to upset anyone.

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« Reply #27 on: March 23, 2010, 08:32:16 am »
I love how people complain about the greed of the insurance companies while the real culprits of the higher costs is our "savior" the government. Medicare and Medicaid pay, on average, only 80% of the true costs. People that are on these programs (at least on Medicare) are also the ones that have the highest costing treatments (the elderly are now getting diseases that only show up later in one's life, like cancer, Alzheimer's, etc.). Taking both of these ideas together, hospitals and doctors try to recoup their costs by going after the only other party "willing" to pay (the government has the power of the law behind it, so if they say they won't pay anymore, they won't) by overcharging the insurance companies, who in turn charge their customers more. Hence the reason for the $12 box of tissues.

The government also dictates where a person can get insurance from. Instead of being able to select from a national pool, people can only purchase plans within their own state. Having a smaller pool of people means that those in it will have to carry more of the costs. It also creates less competition; competition being some thing where the "greed" of other insurance companies causes them to battle with each other to gain customers and in the process lowers costs. The President and Congress were trying to tout the public option as being that competing factor, but as is seen with Medicare and Medicaid, the government doesn't have to listen to market forces, but rather makes their own dictates. As such, the government becomes an unfair competitor and may lead to other insurance companies having to close up shop, eventually leading to less competition. Furthermore, opening a person's options across all plans in the US means that there would be many private competitors versus only one public option.

The government also gives tax incentives to businesses that buys insurance for their employees. The idea being that businesses will create a large pool of their employees thereby spreading the costs among all of their members. But that leaves out those that are not working -- either because they are disabled, retired, in school, or just plain lazy. If the tax incentives were given to the people instead and allow the people to form their own health care groups across the country, more people would be able to gain access to insurance and the costs should also decrease; instead of having ABC Manufacturing employing 500 workers get one plan, all of the members in FC could develop their own plan. This would also allow people to group themselves by what they want in health insurance as well as their lifestyle choices. For example the people in candyterrius' video may elect to band together with other health-conscious individuals that didn't want cancers to be covered (and so if any did develop cancer, they'd have to pay out of their own pockets or go without treatment) but would rather have alternative therapies covered instead.

So which is the better "sin"? Corporate greed or power-hungry politicians?

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