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Looking back on the past months. I must say that Romney lost because he did not reach out to all the American people. Gay's of America, Blacks of America, Other than religion Americans. Religion is not something all wish to share with the world other than with they Church, which is where religion should be left at. Most of all the 47% of Americans that are actually in need of jobs. Americans who need a President who thinks similar to us and not someone who thinks they know better than us but try to understand our level. Voter's who was suppressed by Republicans saying stop early voting or must have driver license ID but accept one who can provide state ID or proof of citizenship. Not 100% sure on what that was about. Robocalls saying vote Nov 7th on the day of Nov 6th voting in All of America. Voting machines who when you pressed for Obama, Romney name lit up. When you have a crooked force after you to corrupt you and try to make you useless. This is something that Our fathers of President's before them would see like just really how far have we come to equality. Not very far. He just didn't understand most of America who didn't have Parents pay for they college or people who give all they inheritance to church if that's what really happened, or Americans who can ask they Parents for money to start a business. It just wasn't something he could understand from the poor or the middle class because frankly I don't think he asked us or spoke to us. What are your thoughts on this and also how Obama and Christie handled Sandy Storm, and what could have Romney done more to show support of victims of a tragedy. Fema and other things he wanted to cut.
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Looking back on the past months. I must say that Romney lost because he did not reach out to all the American people. Gay's of America, Blacks of America, Other than religion Americans. Religion is not something all wish to share with the world other than with they Church, which is where religion should be left at. Most of all the 47% of Americans that are actually in need of jobs. Americans who need a President who thinks similar to us and not someone who thinks they know better than us but try to understand our level. Voter's who was suppressed by Republicans saying stop early voting or must have driver license ID but accept one who can provide state ID or proof of citizenship. Not 100% sure on what that was about. Robocalls saying vote Nov 7th on the day of Nov 6th voting in All of America. Voting machines who when you pressed for Obama, Romney name lit up. When you have a crooked force after you to corrupt you and try to make you useless. This is something that Our fathers of President's before them would see like just really how far have we come to equality. Not very far. He just didn't understand most of America who didn't have Parents pay for they college or people who give all they inheritance to church if that's what really happened, or Americans who can ask they Parents for money to start a business. It just wasn't something he could understand from the poor or the middle class because frankly I don't think he asked us or spoke to us. What are your thoughts on this and also how Obama and Christie handled Sandy Storm, and what could have Romney done more to show support of victims of a tragedy. Fema and other things he wanted to cut.
I'm curious about your comment about the 47% of Americans that are actually in need of jobs. Even if you assume a margin of error in the unemployment rate, this is greatly inflated.
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Oh my, this is way to much to read! Best of Luck to all.
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Looking back on the past months. I must say that Romney lost because he did not reach out to all the American people. Gay's of America, Blacks of America, Other than religion Americans. Religion is not something all wish to share with the world other than with they Church, which is where religion should be left at. Most of all the 47% of Americans that are actually in need of jobs. Americans who need a President who thinks similar to us and not someone who thinks they know better than us but try to understand our level. Voter's who was suppressed by Republicans saying stop early voting or must have driver license ID but accept one who can provide state ID or proof of citizenship. Not 100% sure on what that was about. Robocalls saying vote Nov 7th on the day of Nov 6th voting in All of America. Voting machines who when you pressed for Obama, Romney name lit up. When you have a crooked force after you to corrupt you and try to make you useless. This is something that Our fathers of President's before them would see like just really how far have we come to equality. Not very far. He just didn't understand most of America who didn't have Parents pay for they college or people who give all they inheritance to church if that's what really happened, or Americans who can ask they Parents for money to start a business. It just wasn't something he could understand from the poor or the middle class because frankly I don't think he asked us or spoke to us. What are your thoughts on this and also how Obama and Christie handled Sandy Storm, and what could have Romney done more to show support of victims of a tragedy. Fema and other things he wanted to cut.
I'm curious about your comment about the 47% of Americans that are actually in need of jobs. Even if you assume a margin of error in the unemployment rate, this is greatly inflated.
Not really basing it on actual amount of people who in need. Its a number Romney put out there and one of the reason why he didn't get elected. I'm curious to see if you can rationalize where he came up with number.
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Oh, I see what you mean now. I don't think you can rationalize that percentage even if you count people who may be underemployed, who have given up on finding a job, or taken an early retirement due to companies that are downsizing. I hope that was a misstatement rather than an attempt to bamboozle the American public.
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I don't know where he got that number either but it was stated in the campaign that Romney's companies did a lot of out sourcing for jobs, over seas.
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Oh, I see what you mean now. I don't think you can rationalize that percentage even if you count people who may be underemployed, who have given up on finding a job, or taken an early retirement due to companies that are downsizing. I hope that was a misstatement rather than an attempt to bamboozle the American public.
Well I guess Romney was trying to attempt to bamboozle the American people then because like I said he came up with that number. Still wondering where he got it from, can you explain that.
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No he lost because there were to many people that want the government to support them instead of them going back to work for their money!!!
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Oh, I see what you mean now. I don't think you can rationalize that percentage even if you count people who may be underemployed, who have given up on finding a job, or taken an early retirement due to companies that are downsizing. I hope that was a misstatement rather than an attempt to bamboozle the American public.
Well I guess Romney was trying to attempt to bamboozle the American people then because like I said he came up with that number. Still wondering where he got it from, can you explain that.
47% of Americans pay no federal income tax.
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No he lost because there were to many people that want the government to support them instead of them going back to work for their money!!!
You don't know about what is going on in everyone's household. So you cant speak on that. ;D
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There are many reasons why people wanI ted to re-elect a President like Obana. I am very sad and depressed as I feel our country will crumble under his direction unless he changes from the direction he was heading prior to his re-election.
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People say Romney lost because there are too may immigrants,Latinos,blacks....
But ahhhhhhhhh...it is the rich who want to pay the immigrants cheaper wages...what hippocrites.There are just as many citizens of this country that wanna live off the fat of the land as immigrants.
In the long haul it doesnt matter anyway.Its a matter of time before this system is a memory.
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One big reason Governor Romney lost the election was because over the course of his campaign, he managed to alienate (*bleep* off) at least 50% of the people who probably would have voted for him initially. Something that no experienced politician would do. He later tried to change that but the damage had already been done. The 47% comment he made was caught on tape when he was talking to a group of his wealthy donors when he thought the rest of America could not hear him. He was not talking about the unemployed only, he was talking about people on Social Security who have paid taxes all their lives, veterans who have fought in wars for their country, students trying to better themselves, and some others in the middle class who for various reasons are exempt from paying taxes. While his wealthy, hypocrite but gets away with not paying his fair share of taxes on his billions and hiding money in foreign banks to avoid taxation. Governor Romney was relying on "the Good Ole Boy" network to put him over the top but he sadly found out that that racist, anti women institution does not run america anymore. :thumbsup: He also made negative comments about Latinos in that speech. Most intelligent voters were influenced by what they heard him say. Apparently a lot of FC posters voted for him never even knowing what he said. :sad1: How sad.
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:wave: romney lost because of the minority voters mostly went with obama. most of them are on some type of government entitlement and they just want to receive money from government programs.
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:wave: romney lost because of the minority voters mostly went with obama. most of them are on some type of government entitlement and they just want to receive money from government programs.
No.... being equally as facetious as you are...Romney lost because mostly ignorant people voted for him and there are more intelligent people in America than ignorant people. :wave: .
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Mitt lost because Obama and Nancy Pelocy created a entitlement societ of dependends. It started with the long unemployment payment period, then the free Obama cell phones, and other programs that will be coming onboard. How can you beat the free mentality idea. This will only happen when the country runs out of earning potential.
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:wave: romney lost because of the minority voters mostly went with obama. most of them are on some type of government entitlement and they just want to receive money from government programs.
No.... being equally as facetious as you are...Romney lost because mostly ignorant people voted for him and there are more intelligent people in America than ignorant people. :wave: .
I wonder how many of us here receiving aide to help feed they families. I don't think they will say the same about wanting free handouts just so they could live off the Gov. I just don't understand why people keep bringing up this stupid idea of wanting welfare and instead need it to survive and is a added source to what their part time job is paying or even a full time job and its just not enough. Free cell phones came out with Bush not Obama. This is just stereotyping people who are in need. Ill accept help to feed my son over a free cellphone any day. People are really in need of help. No one wants to rely on Gov. I think all want a job, those who do not have one. I feel sorry for the people who keep using these useless excuses to make like Romney was for all the people. I do not buy it and many Americans do not either since is why Obama won. To say most who voted for Obama want these handouts is saying that most of the 55 million people who voted for him are sponging off the Gov. and that is just simply not true. Momoney555 I agree there is a lot of intelligent people in this country. :peace: :peace: :peace: :peace: :peace:
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No he lost because there were to many people that want the government to support them instead of them going back to work for their money!!!
:wave: romney lost because of the minority voters mostly went with obama. most of them are on some type of government entitlement and they just want to receive money from government programs.
I wish instead of making comments and stating things like this people would just look to the future and try to make good of it. Most of the minorities are not on soem type of government assistance. We work a job some 2, just like everyone else trying to make a living. The middle class is larger than people seem to realize and Romney was not concerned about them. Government assistance is not only for those that don't work, it helps out college students, elderly, as well as single parents. If a woman has 3 kids and works a job, she still may need help to maintain and i see nohing wrong with that. Everyone could use a little help now and then.
Why Romney Lost? He didn't pay attention to the women and children or the middle class. He wanted to make it easier for the rich.
I just hope everyone can move forward and work together. Stand as one instead of being divided. President Obama doesn't make all the decisions. He has to answer to people as well. Lets just focus on the future and try to make it better for the generations to come. :peace: :)
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:wave: romney lost because of the minority voters mostly went with obama. most of them are on some type of government entitlement and they just want to receive money from government programs.
That's part of it, and let's not forget about the rampant voter fraud across the nation. I really wonder how many illegals, dead people, animals, and cartoon characters voted this time?
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Stop, just stop. Voter fraud is almost non-existent in the country. Stop spreading your faux news uninformed BS.
http://www.politifact.com/georgia/statements/2012/sep/19/naacp/-person-voter-fraud-very-rare-phenomenon/
:wave: romney lost because of the minority voters mostly went with obama. most of them are on some type of government entitlement and they just want to receive money from government programs.
That's part of it, and let's not forget about the rampant voter fraud across the nation. I really wonder how many illegals, dead people, animals, and cartoon characters voted this time?
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Glad he lost!
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Because Obama received more votes. :peace:
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I think he lost because most republicans couldn't get to the voting polls after they got off work. before they closed or the door was closed on them even when they were standing in line. Take it anyway you want and No most of us are not ignorant just the working class trying to change the system.
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The republicans are the ones with the 9-5 jobs. Why would doors get closed on them to vote? They had before 9 and after 5? The democrats are the ones working 12 hours shifts, and 2 jobs. They don't have carpooling after school and nanny. They do it all. Everyone needs to stop with their stupid statements that are not facts. How can this country change if the people won't change? Take it any way you would like but i'm a democrat, i work a full time job with no assistance, and i know alot of people just like me. Its not democrat or republican, its being a human and living in America!!
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One of the reasons Romney lost that has not been mentioned here is that the Obama people ran a much more effective ground campaign than the Romney people. From what I have read so far those who worked for the Obama campaign made the calls, knocked on the doors, spoke to the people earlier and more often than the Romney people. Apparently the Romney campaign noted the large number of attendees at their rallies and thought they would be OK. The Obama workers did more of the nuts-and-bolts work--and it paid off.
It is also worth noting that a LOT of people simply seemed determined to vote--despite long lines and hinky machines. it would not surprise me if a lot of those voters took the "47%" comment to heart and mustered up enough determination to overcome the obstacles and cast their vote. Me, I had no trouble voting; I was in and out of the polling place in 15 minutes. I greatly admire those who voted even when it was inconvenient and uncomfortable to do so.
For the record, I voted for Obama. I live in a very red state, and I knew how that would go, but that really isn't the point. I voted for my beliefs and my hope (not my fear), and I feel privileged to have been able to do so.
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dauna that was a well said comment. Your right about Obama's team getting out there knocking on doors and making them calls. Also one more thing here on FC there was a video we kept getting 1 cent to watch. Things like that was excellent way of Obama staying in the public's view.
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I think Romney lost because he appeared to (at least to me) be focused on big business interest only. Regardless of the adds that ran, his focus seemed to be very one-sided.
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who cares? :dontknow: obama and romney were both idiots
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I guess the "entitlement" community now out numbers the "racist/homophobic, good ole boys" community
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I guess the "entitlement" community now out numbers the "racist/homophobic, good ole boys" community
LOL....I'll take my chances with the entitlements since that includes people on Soc. Sec., Veterans, students. If I have to pay taxes, I'd rather have my taxes going in that direction than lining the already full pockets of the wealthy.
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These are all good reasons but I think, over-riding all of these is, that Romney never had the backing of his own party. The Republicans kept putting in inferior people like Cain, Perry, Bachman. The Evangelicals couldn't back the Mormon religion. Then you had Murdoch tainting the campaign with his belief that women should carry full term, if they were molested, because it was God's choice. You had the Automobile manufacturer's asking Mr. Romney to stop conjuring up false numbers with regards to overseas jobs.
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Neither Romney nor Ryan won in their own home states. Not sure about Romney, but Ryan didn't even win in Jaynesville, Wi., his own county where he grew up and lives. Whereas Obama won in both Chicago, where he lives and Hawaii where he grew up.
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Romney lost cause he was a bad candidate to go up agains Obama. He really couldn't rail on Obamacare since it was his plan it was modeleld on. He coudn't go against him on the NDAA (the bill that allows the indefinite detention of Americans without charge or trial) since in a debate Romney said he'd sign it as written like Obama. Sadly, this didn't get any attention in the general election. Romney's history of flip flopping hurt him in the "What does this guy stand for?"
The establisment GOP are out of touch with America and they were trying to paint Romeny who has liberal views as an ultra right wing conservative and it just didn't sell. The picking of Ryan for VP didn't do anything for those outside the republicans or people that were going to vote R anyway. Ryan too is somewhat of a fraud in that people call him a "budget hawk" and the railing over Obama's spending was amazing to me since Ryan voted for all of Obama's bills with the exception of Obamacare, so where's the difference?
People decided that they wanted Obama, not Obama-lite. No one outside the Right was excited about Romeny/Ryan and even then it was iffy.
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Romney lost because he's totally out of touch with the average American. Personally, as a middle-class American who works full-time while going to school, I couldn't imagine voting for a man who would raise my taxes while cutting Donald Trump's. And from my understanding (I got this as second-hand info about the debates, so admittedly, I could be misinformed on this), the plan he and Ryan were advertising for stimulating economic growth in this country ran along the lines of "We have a great plan in place. I can't give you any of the details, but we have a plan. It's a great plan." Not super reassuring, although I have to keep reminding myself that no matter how good the plan before the election, it doesn't mean it will be implemented after the election. The presidency isn't supposed to be an imperial power; it's supposed to be part (albeit an important part) of a democracy.
On a personal level, his stance on many of the issues I hold near and dear to my heart is the exact opposite of mine. I care about things like the environment, women's rights, and equality, and I'm not the only one. On this note, if Republicans are governmental conservatives who want to pull back the influence of government in the lives of citizens, why do they keep trying to pass laws that interfere with my ability to choose what happens to my body????
For everyone curious about the 47% comment, it is true that roughly this number don't pay federal income taxes. As someone mentioned above (sorry, I missed your name), this includes veterans, people on social security, etc. This does include a lot of students (not all. More and more students work while going to college, including myself, and Uncle Sam takes some money out of every one of my paychecks). In addition, this includes people on permanent disability (for anyone who thinks these people are entitled, try being a single mom and not even receiving enough to pay rent in some areas. I put a friend and her son on my cell phone plan since she can't always afford to pay the bill, and it's important they be able to stay in contact in the event of an emergency. Poverty in this country affects primarily single mothers and their children, and many of these women became mothers while in a relationship that later ended for various reasons. Many of them desperately want better.), people who do not make enough money to have to pay taxes (I believe the threshold is less than $600 a year. Think some high school students, etc. who work weekends during the summer), and some individuals/businesses who pay federal taxes through other means, such as payroll taxes. The real irony in Romney making this comment? It's rumored that some of Romney's biggest supporters were actually part of that 47%.
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I think Romney lost because people didn't see his consistant point of view on some important questions. He started so good at first and second Presidential debate: he really had some good points about Ben Gazi and economic issues. What happened at the last debate? He changed his mind and agreed almost on everything that Obama said. Can we trust him? He changes his points of view and being inconsistent. Will he change his promises too, if he would be a President? That was the biggest Obama hit, when he pointed at Romney's "swings" left to right. I think, Romney should of go to the end of the compaign with the same beleives that he started.
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When he turned in his taxes, and it was shown he did not take a lot of deductions so that he could reach a certain percentage of paying in. That lost a lot of people. What a dope if the law is written so that you don't have to pay, don't pay extra one time just to make it look like you are a regular person. I worked at one of the companies Romney "Helped Out". We were told we would all keep our jobs when the new ownership took over. We did the older employees (55 and up) were kept on for about 3 months, then in the next 6 months the rest of the workers were let go, because it was so much cheaper to have the products produced overseas. The company had parts of it sold off....great for the inventor. If you want to outsource jobs overseas, you should be allowed NO tax breaks here. Sadly that is not the case. Incentives and tax breaks should be to help our own citizens. Many of the jobs overseas are being subsidized by there own governments to keep prices down, and even by us in the form of government aide. Fine if you want to send jobs anywhere else, it is a free country, but no tax breaks or incentives for doing it.
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When he turned in his taxes, and it was shown he did not take a lot of deductions so that he could reach a certain percentage of paying in. That lost a lot of people. What a dope if the law is written so that you don't have to pay, don't pay extra one time just to make it look like you are a regular person. I worked at one of the companies Romney "Helped Out". We were told we would all keep our jobs when the new ownership took over. We did the older employees (55 and up) were kept on for about 3 months, then in the next 6 months the rest of the workers were let go, because it was so much cheaper to have the products produced overseas. The company had parts of it sold off....great for the inventor. If you want to outsource jobs overseas, you should be allowed NO tax breaks here. Sadly that is not the case. Incentives and tax breaks should be to help our own citizens. Many of the jobs overseas are being subsidized by there own governments to keep prices down, and even by us in the form of government aide. Fine if you want to send jobs anywhere else, it is a free country, but no tax breaks or incentives for doing it.
The incentive for shipping jobs overseas is cheap labor, not tax breaks.
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romney lost because he is FOR THE RICH. and american can not afford that. Plus obama had a better ground campaign.